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Local housing market, economy remain strong 
Things won't reach last year's levels, analyst says, but 2009 should be decent
STEVE BARTLETT The Telegram
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| Bruce Guest (left) takes measurements to check if the ground is level in a hole for a new home foundation on New Pennywell Road. At right is co-worker Craig Duke. Both are employees of Miller Equipment. - Photo by Keith Gosse/The Telegram |
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The economic news nationally and internationally may be gloomy, but Newfoundland and Labrador's economy is much, much brighter, according to Chris Janes.
The provincial economy - particularly in the St. John's metro area - is expected to remain strong this year, bucking national trends and despite some local layoffs, slowing resource revenues and the weak global conditions, says Janes, senior market analyst with the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. (CMHC).
"It's still on the up and up locally in terms of our labour markets, economy, economic health overall, government's fiscal situation, migration factors ... and it's just a lot of positive activity that's hard not to be focused on," Janes said following his address to a packed housing seminar in St. John's Wednesday. "We still have very strong consumer spending, and that's key to any province's economic health and, right now in terms of all provinces in Canada, we have the strongest consumer spending of all."
Wednesday's seminar was presented by CMHC and billed, Looking Ahead - Gaining Perspective.
Other speakers were Alex Macdonald, a regional economist with CMHC, and Ken Hicks, a manager of economic research with the provincial Department of Finance.
According to Janes, the province's strong economic indicators suggest the St. John's area housing market will perform well in 2009 - but not quite as well as 2008. It saw a record 1,485 single detached housing starts and benchmarks in sales and prices, 19.6 and five per cent, respectively.
The St. John's region, Janes noted, was the only price-growth market in Canada in the fourth quarter of last year.
"Right now, (the market) is more in line with where we were prior to 2008, back more in line with 2006-2007 levels," he said. "But, again, if we go back to those years, they were positive years as well."
Janes said home prices are not expected to decline this year, although they likely won't increase much either.
In the face of a glum global climate, Janes said, there is a lot of apprehension among people, most of whom don't realize how well the province is performing.
Much of that fear, he suggested, can be eliminated through putting the economy into perspective, like he tried to do during his address Wednesday.
"I think a lot of people in this room probably walked out of here feeling really good about where the economy is right now and where the economy is headed as well as the housing market.
"Hopefully, that filters down to the average everyday consumer and is reflected as accurate in the numbers we projected."
Edwina Baldwin, president of the Newfoundland and Labrador Association of Realtors, keeps regular tabs on the factors Janes presented. She wasn't surprised by his presentation and she also sees a need for locals to have better knowledge of what's going on.
"I don't think the public is as well aware of it as they should be, even though we try to give out as much positive results as we can. Not to make it look rosy. I believe in giving the people the correct results and then they form their own position," she said.
Many mainland pundits, Janes said, don't quite get why Newfoundland and Labrador is doing so well.
He said he has been interviewed by national media about the trends and was quick to point out the contributions of the oil and gas industry, which accounts for a third of the province's GDP.
"They can't understand why we continue to buck all the national trends in terms of our housing activity, our employment numbers, our consumer spending. ... Even our auto sales have been strong when you compare them to the national averages, which are way down. It's been very positive. It's been a very good news story from my perspective overall, and I try to continue to get that message out there."
Janes noted that the province's low fertility rate and aging population will provide a future challenge for the housing market. To alleviate problems, he said there is a need to focus on in-migration.
sbartlett@thetelegram.com
MARKET MOVES
CMHC's forecast for the local housing market:
Total housing starts for 2009 between 1,475 and 1,725
Total housing starts for 2010 between 1,525 and 1,850
MLS sales between 3,200 and 3,700 for 2009
MLS sales between 3,300 and 3,800 for 2010
Average sale price between $187,500 and 198,500 for 2009
Average sale price between $192,500 and $202,500 for 2010
Vacancy rates expected at .5 to 1.5 range in 2009
Vacancy rates expected to be 1.0 per cent to 2.0 per cent in 2010
Two-bedroom rental rates running between $675 and $725 in 2009
Two-bedroom rental rates running between $710 and $750 in 2010
Condo sales and starts fluctuate, and amount to about 3.2 per cent of MLS sales
Prospective buyers prefer mid-priced neighbourhood condos
Source: Chris Janes, CMHC
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Peter from Newfoundland and Labrador writes: Every couple of days we get this in the news, housing is fine, nothing wrong, blah, blah, blah. I can't believe the Telegram would let people who have a direct vested interest in the housing market have so much say.
This is an attempt to keep up an already inflated market.
Think for yourself...
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| Posted 05/03/2009 at 8:58 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Nasty Nate from St. Johns, NL writes: Things are rosy to those that refuse to remove the rose coloured glasses. It seems that the CHMC has just a tad more then a vested interest in projecting an illusion of growth and stability. Is this not similar to the misguided musings of the scores of economists whom continued to take from those that did not have to feed those lavish perks and bonus addictions to wealth and greed? We are starting to see the truth of the reality we all face.
Newfoundland continues to lead the country with the highest levels of unemployed in the country, now sitting at over 14%. These unemployed are only counted while under the federal system, once that safety net expires they are just unemployed and no longer counted. Why has the study continued to refuse to include those on social assistance in the equation? Why have the stats not included the under-employed? Why is due to the simple fact that if you want to go by the numbers, it would push us into the statistical depression category that they still do not want to admit to?
Why is it that many people in this province are unable to obtain employment if things are so great? Why is it that people with far more education and years of experience then most need to send over 550 resumes and applications and still remain unemployed if things are so great?
I have a very real feeling that the shock to the collective fabric of this province and country would be unable to fathom the truth regarding the true economic situation that continues to be covered up by those who still try to collect yet more of the working poor’s meager income into their pockets.
What happens in other locations and provinces have a larger impact then you may like to think. We are all in this together, and the sooner those that live in the fantasy world obtain the psychiatric help they require, the sooner everyone will understand that the economy in this province and country is about to get far worse before it gets better. The province has lost more jobs then have been created.
Negatives do not equate to growth and prosperity unless we now live on Fantasy Island.
If you have no income, you do not purchase homes. Pretty simple.
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| Posted 05/03/2009 at 9:23 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Mike from NL writes: Peter hit the nail right on the head. These same kinds of vested interest commentators were inflating the bubble last year.
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| Posted 05/03/2009 at 9:32 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Doug from NL writes: Do these people involved in real estate and home construction really believe the things they are saying? A cursory review of any US news site shows that their economy is gutted and because we're essentially joined at the hip with them, Canada is heading down the same slope. Anyone who thinks Newfoundland's economy and, in turn the real estate market, will not be affected must be living in some sort of isolated bubble.
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| Posted 05/03/2009 at 9:40 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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Coda from NL writes: Didn't the premier just issue out a stimulus package? What's up with that if we are doing so well.
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Robert from NL writes: They are only recording the facts as they see them. I for one am glad prices are not going up. I guess we can run around saying the sky is falling and cause panic and distress for everyone.
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Tim from St. Johns, Newfoundland writes: Hey Robert, no need to cause panic and distress. It is here for a great many that have seen jobs fad away, savings vanish and not a single opportunity created with either Danny's 800 Million or Stevies Billions.
So ya, whats up with all that then is the country and province so bloodly well off that people have been not buying since they all have so much property already and really have no need for more?
Once we see the unemployment rates and those on welfare drop to 3.0% then CMHC can talk the talk. Till then the real stats and lines at the food banks do not need to be inflated. They are the real impacts seen day in day out.
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| Posted 05/03/2009 at 10:44 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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rayne from nl writes: the housing market is doing so well because with the lower interest rates on loans. it's just as cheap to make a house payment as it is to rent a decent apartment.
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Steve from NL writes: Yeah, the housing market is good, and contractors and realtors are making a fortune from it. New homes are way over priced!, I urge you to get a hold of building material costs from last year and compare them to the materials costs of right now and u will how inflated the prices really are! You will be surprised!
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Pi$$ed At The Lies from St. Johns, NL writes: Yup, such POSITIVE growth. Maybe people need to stop thinking that a little bit of water insulates us from the reality of today and next week.
TORONTO - Stock markets are lower amid an indication that China won't embark on a fresh stimulus program while fresh concerns have been raised about the future of General Motors Corp.
Toronto's S&P/TSX composite index declined 123.7 points to 7,691. It charged ahead 183-points yesterday on hopes that China would use the start of the National People's Congress' annual session to announce new economic measures, in addition to the promised spending of US$585 billion outlined in November.
Lets see, US Steel Former Stelco Canada located in Canada cuts jobs puts the ore from this province on hold for awhile.
GM might just have gone belly up. People are pissed. Billions have been lost in the past few months to bail out a sinking ship. No need for steel from here now is there?
No exports, no jobs, no income no homes can be bought.
Get the bigger picture CMCH!
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| Posted 05/03/2009 at 11:49 AM | Alert an Editor | Link to comment |
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AnnD from St. John's, NL writes: Well considering the Real Estate pundits started this hot market - telling us house prices will rise because of the oil boom - maybe they're trying to keep it going & going & going.
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This is pure Fear Mongering BS from Mount Pearl, NL writes: Warren Buffet, the world famous investment guru once said, ''Be fearful when people are greedy and greedy when people are fearful''
Nuff Said
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Mike from NL writes: Real estate people making comments on the housing market and The Telegram presents it as unbiased reliable news. Shame on you The Telegram.
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MJ from NL writes: What is wrong with these real estate people, don't they know the world economy is going down hill and no one will be spared. They say the economy for Newfoundland is doing good yet on this same site it says the newfoundland economy will shrink by 2.6%.
http://www.thetelegram.com/index.cfm?sid=228637&sc=79
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B from NL writes: Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada's easternmost province, is set to have the worst performing provincial economy due to the impact of declining offshore oil output. It will shrink by an estimated 2.6 percent, the Conference Board of Canada said This sounds real rosy doesn't it. The housing prices will fall, because people will stop buying. Anyone who listens to realtors or corporations involved in real estate are fools, they're worst than used car salesmen. We are living in a dreamworld if we think Newfoundland will be spared from a recession, it will only be delayed here because of the money the government made last year. Lets see how our outlook is after oil prices remain stagnant for a couple of years. Our dependency on non renewable resources only will be our downfall.
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Nasty Nate from St. Johns, NL writes: We must be blind. I really did not want the TSX in this since it has not closed just yet for the day. But you get the point.
Now say it D E P R E S S I O N. Markets falling over 50% is a depression if you want to admit it or not. The only way out of this, and god forbid will be war. That is the only thing the human race knows to control over population and re-start growth.
Oil in this province will not save us.
The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) fell 230 points, or 3.4%, with under 2-1/2 hours left in the session. Earlier, the Dow fell as low as 6630.44, the lowest point since April 22, 1997.
Since hitting an all-time closing high of 14,164.53 on Oct. 9, 2007, the Dow has fallen 51.5% as of Wednesday's close.
The S&P 500 (SPX) index lost 25 points or 3.6%. Earlier, it had fallen as low as 683.90, the lowest point since Sept. 27, 1996.
Since hitting an all-time closing high of 1565.15 on Oct. 9, 2007, the S&P 500 has fallen 54.5% as of Wednesday's close.
The Nasdaq composite (COMP) fell 40 points, or 3%, but held above the November lows. The tech-fueled average has held up better than the other major averages this year and remains above its close of 1,316.12 from last Nov. 20.
Since hitting a bull-market high of 2,859.12 on Oct. 31, 2007, the Nasdaq has stumbled 52.5%. But the Nasdaq has never come near its all-time high of 5,048.62 hit on March 10, 2000, at the height of the Internet boom.
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Ron Sullivan from St Johns's, Newfoundland writes: These remarks are dangerous and misleading. To think that this Island can somehow escape the market forces engulfing the entire panet is laughable. Self serving statements like this will be seen for what they are. The US realtors/economists mumbled the same rhetoric just a few short months ago. Newfoundland,,,,,brace yourself for the tsunami,,,,,,,,,
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Peter from NL writes: I believe the statements made above are correct. Those with vested interests are selling propaganda.
What is troubling are the people who will be left holding the bag on an over-priced house. Not exactly the mortgage crisis found in the US but there will be people holding mortgages that are tens of thousands more than the real value of the property.
I expect the banks to step to the plate and weed through the ridiculous comments of those with vested interests.
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