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Feds unveil $3-billion stimulus stash 
Economy
OTTAWA ALEXANDER PANETTA The Canadian Press
The Harper government is creating a $3-billion fund to fast-track economic stimulus cash and begin pumping it out within weeks - a move rivals call a recipe for a boondoggle.
The fund would let money start filtering down April 1, nearly three months sooner than the traditional period in which Parliament endorses supplementary budget spending.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper warned opponents they risk triggering an election should they vote against the fund.
But the threat appeared unnecessary. While the Liberals expressed concern that they were being asked to sign a blank cheque, they offered no indication they would block the government's stimulus measures.
Still, the Bloc Quebecois called it a slush fund and the NDP warned the conditions are in place for another sponsorship scandal.
Even the Conservatives admitted the spending stampede could result in waste.
Harper agreed there are some long-term risks associated with the stimulus package, but he cited a famous economist to argue that the short-term danger is greater.
"Of course there's all kinds of risks of inefficient, expanded government policies that will continue into the future," Harper told a news conference in British Columbia.
"I'm not suggesting there aren't long-term risks.
"But I was taught early in economics classes, the famous economist John Maynard Keynes said that, 'At times like this, we remember that in the long run, we're all dead.'
The money is not allocated to any specific program. It is a general fund that departments can tap into to speed up delivery of projects promised in the recent federal budget.
The government has already promised to speed up infrastructure projects by drastically reducing regulatory procedures.
The most controversial move would see Ottawa cancel environmental-impact assessments in cases where provincial or municipal governments have already conducted one.
To prevent mistakes, the government says a handful of accountability measures adopted in recent years will help.
Ottawa notes that departments now have independent audit committees and chief financial officers, and that there will be quarterly economic status reports in Parliament.
The stimulus fund was promised in last month's federal budget, but its price tag and details were only made public in the 2009-10 main estimates tabled Thursday.
All the projects it supports will still need to be individually approved by the Treasury Board.
But the opposition remains skeptical of the latest stimulus move.
One New Democrat drew parallels with the 1990s, when there was also a national crisis - over national unity - and the government of the day responded by shovelling money out the door to a variety of projects that promoted Canada.
A number of middlemen took advantage of lax oversight, enriching themselves in an infamous scam that led to the demise of the Liberals.
"The Conservatives are using the exact same argument that the Liberals used in the sponsorship scandal," said New Democrat MP Tom Mulcair.
"(They say), 'These are extraordinary times, the normal rules shouldn't apply, we're serving a higher purpose.'
"In the case of the sponsorship scandal, they said they were serving the purpose of national unity. And there was a problem of national unity, but they used it as an excuse to pork barrel."
The government called Mulcair's position hypocritical. The NDP spent months demanding fast-tracked spending for infrastructure projects, the Tories noted.
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True Blue in Alberta from Calgary, AB writes: It would serve you Newfoundlanders right to be shut out of any stimulous package. You voted against our government and our primeminister and you should pay the consequences. THINK next time!
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Shannon Reardon from St. John's, NL writes: Not all of us in this province voted in the last federal election in accordance with what Premier Williams dictated. His ABC Campaign was not only a provincial embarrassment, but a national one. I know it seems to the rest of Canada that we are all blind, mindless, idiotic sheep who follow Danny Williams like the Second Coming of Christ, and I seem to be in the minority here, but I can proudly say I ain't one of them. I never was. People accused me of being purely partisan in that (Liberal), but it's a matter of democracy to me, since the Premier tramples over it ever chance he gets and drags our province through the mud often over silliness like his personality clash with PM Harper. As a result, we lost 1.5 billion dollars.
Don't blame all of us for where we stand today in the Canadian federation. And don't tar us all with the same brush. Not everyone in NL supports or idolizes Williams. He is a bigger demagogue than Joey Smallwood, and who would have thought that could ever have been said?? After studying him at MUN, I didn't, but I also have to say I am not entirely surprised by the egomaniac autocrat Williams.
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randy from nl writes: To true blue..I don't like Williams or Harper,but next time as you so elegantly stated,we should extend our ,goose egg,for harper campaigne ,to all of atlantic canada.It looks like Albertans will need Steve's stimulus money,much more so then we will here in nl .If you look at the latest statistics on home prices in Calcary as compared to st John's,i can see why you would be upset.When it comes down to the dirty oil of Alberta or the clean sweet crude of nl,i wonder what president Obama would prefur.Good luck in the future (true blue in alberta)you'll need it much more then we will.Sticking with the neo-conservatives like Steve,will be your downfall
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Canadian from nl writes: All Canadians have the freedom & right to vote for whatever party they wish to vote for even in Newfoundland. But I guess we looked at the candidates in blue & they acted like Reformers they talked like Reformers their leader is a Reformer. Excuse us for being confused we only saw 2 national partys on the ballot Liberal & N D P
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grant leslie from paradise, nl writes: true blue you are an bass of the biggest kind ,maybe you should have all the facts infront of you before you go putting down newfoundlanders.newfoundlanders have never been treated as true members of canada,newfoundlands rich resources,since 1949 have been robbed from us for the rest of canada and the likes of you.maybe its time to go back to being the republic of newfoundland,and not being a yes sir thank you sir for nothing province ,I can tell you blue that the pressure for newfoundland to walk away from your great canada is mounting .further more you take the newfoundlanders out of your so great called province and you have nothing.
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Brian from nl writes: Serves us right does it trublue? How in the hell would you or any other typical mainlander like youself know what serves us right?
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Nasty Nate from St. Johns, NL writes: True Blue! Well then lets us begin.
To begin with I am one of those native Albertans that by choice decided that the Conservative backed destruction of my province has shown little regard for the people and/or environment. So that I would not need to continue to see the continued destruction of my province I chose to relocate to Newfoundland.
If in fact you are a true Albertan you would know that when Alberta became a province in 1905, it was not given control of its own resources — creating a dispute with the federal government. Alberta was given control 25 years later.
Alberta suffered severely during the Great Depression of the early 1930s. Droughts, grasshopper plagues, and soil erosion drove many farmers from their land. Even harder to bear was the falling price of wheat. Many farmers went bankrupt and lost their land altogether.
Albertans remember that at one time we were nothing more then poor dirt farmers. Where was your precious Conservative government during this time?
Today’s Alberta has been built on the greed of those in the Conservative party both provincially and federal. We are painfully aware that it is that the oil corporations which control the puppet strings of the Conservative party of Canada and the provincial government of Alberta.
These pariah have successfully contaminated natural resources and the true beauty of the province all in the name of progress and financial gain. Where else in Canada can the richest provinces post some of the highest poverty levels and homeless rates? The divide between the rich and the poor due to the personal aspirations and practices of the Conservative Party has caused Alberta to become nothing more than a dictatorship aimed at corporate greed.
You might like to get back into grade school and do a little history on the province you are in before talking down to others.
Danny Williams is a fool, but at the end of the day it is the people which are the real resources which needs protection from all levels of government. Government has failed in every regard and at every level to mitigate further economic hardship of the people of Canada and all provinces.
Petty infighting amongst those that the people placed in positions of power has no place in the fabric of Canadian society. When the time comes when the people of this country stand up to the abuse of government control we all may benefit. Till that time the only ones which will benefit from any stimulus will be those with government connections and contracts.
Now back to school young one. You need to better educate yourself before you attempt to teach others.
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Manny Lewis from ON writes: Nasty Nate writes: Danny Williams is a fool.
Nasty , it is people like you who are the fools. If NL does not establish a viable, self-sustaining economy in the next 15 years, it will be lights out. More and more people will leave the province. Give up your partisan BS and try to see the big picture. The oil will soon run out, the fishery may never recover, there
are people in Labrador who want to separate.
What would you like Danny Williams to do? Continue to follow Ottawa's dictates blindly while holding his hand out for mre equalization payments. People like you don't have a clue, and can't see that it will take a strong and insightful leader like Williams to turn things around. Yes he has made mistakes, however, unless Ottawa is confronted and forced to make changes in how they treat NL nothing will change!
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Frankie Venom from Mt. Pearl, NL writes: I too am one of those Nflders who doesn't blindly follow Mr. Williams. While I do occassionally admire his sticking-up for our Province, I do wonder how ego driven much of his retoric is and feel that he has done as much harm as good overall ...
Previous poster pointed out the Albertan situation during the Great Depression ... it is a known fact that despite desperate conditions here in Nfld. at that time, we did ship food to the Canadian Prarie provinces in the form of dried/salted fish ... who were in those days part of a foreign nation ...
Speaking of the Great Depression; if the current global economic slide doesn't turn around very soon, we could be seeing the sequel G.D. II, before long ...
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Ian from NL writes: Did I read your comment correctly True Blue? Did you say Newfoundlanders and Labradorians should be punished for voting freely in a democracy?
What country do you think we live in? OR should I say what kind of country is Canada turning into?
I'd be curious to hear what you would think if the Liberals blatantly took 9 billion (per capita equivalent) from Alberta's pocket.
Well said Nasty Nate; True Blue sounds too much like the equivalent of an ignorant southerner from the States.
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Nasty Nate from St. Johns, NL writes: Manny Lewis - I present The Former And Great General Richard Hillier. This is a man that holds the values of the people first, and has no fear in diplomacy, or negotiations. This is what is needed, not the Williams my way only route.
I wish Mr. Hillier would run for either provincial or federal office. I am sure he would bring a refreshing and honest change that has been missing for far too long.
Seems Danny Williams way of doing things has not helped your cause. You are sitting in Ontario where jobs are dropping at a steady pace. When will you be returning with your tail tucked up under your shirt tails? Many of us in all parts of Canada have suffered due to the past leaders we placed in office. The time for change is long over due in all levels of government.
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Mike from nl writes: Manny Lewis, you self righteous pathetic leeches of Ontario are in no postion to make any pronouncements about what will happen to Newfoundland adn Labrador in 15 years. Your province of all in this so called democracy you call Canada has no right to pass judgement on us or any other province for that matter.
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NL_Expatriate from BC writes: This was a letter to the editor while back that highlights what Harper has done to a province in this federation this time. Forgetting the 10 billion last time.
Let’s put this in perspective for the rest of Canada, at $1.5 billion, that’s about $3,000 worth of extra debt every man, woman and child in Newfoundland and Labrador will have thrust on their back by Stephen Harper and his vindictive government — on top of the highest per capita provincial debt in the country.
The rest of Canada seems to see this as a bit of a side show, but if they were taking the hit would they be crying foul? You bet they would.
If a hit of $3,000 each was taken by the other province, let’s see what the calculations would show.
For Ontario the figure $36.48 billion flows from the 2006 census and the 3k each for Harper.
Quebec takes a $22.64 billion hypothetical swipe from the feds.
British Columbia would see $12.34 billion extracted from its budget.
Alberta, the prime minister’s home province, would feel the $9.87 billion pinch.
A $3.45 billion swat at Manitoba wouldn’t go over well.
Saskatchewan would find a $2.90 billion addition to its debt painful.
Nova Scotia would likely balk at the $2.74 billion hit.
New Brunswick’s share of $2.20 billion would definitely hurt.
Prince Edward Island’s $3,000 per capita adds up to .41 billion.
Add in the swipe at the Territories and the federal treasury stands to swell by about $95 billion.
Would that cause a stir? It would sure wipe out the deficit.
Our air space$
Our continental shelf$
Our 8.5% hibernia!
CHHC Canada Hibernia Holding Corp$
No operationally manned military base NL
Lack fed management positions
Go back and read the the Royal Commission people.
Nothing has been renewed or strengthened since 2003. Time to reassess.
http://www.exec.gov.nl.ca/royalcomm/
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Jason from NL writes: True blue, stuff it where the sun don't shine. Everyone is sick of you shrill harpys acting so morally authoritative. You make us sick. This is a single country not a patchwork of neo-con riding's. Besides you and your brown shirts will be kicked to the curb soon enough and i hope what went around under Harper goes around under Iggy. Your oil patch seems to be suffering some problems, maybe you should shut up now least someone decide you don't need a stimulus package of your own down the road.
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Manny Lewis from ON writes: So Nasty Nate, do you really believe Rick Hillier would do better than Williams? I seriously doubt it. I believe some of you are just focusing on William's ego and can't see beyond that. By the way, we all have an ego!
As for anyone else who responded to my post, I am not against NL, in fact just the opposite. Tell me this....Is there one past NL premeir who could do a better job at this time. All they did was give away NL's rresouces and do as they were told by Ottawa. If Danny Williams can't turn around NL s situation, then most likely no one else will. Again oil will run out and soon, the fishery may never recover, even if it does it is still under Ottawa's control. Hydro may be the only viable resource left, and even with that, the separatists in Labrador are trying to get that for themselves. They whine about how bad St. John's is treating them and maybe rightly so, but anyone with any foresight can see they really want Labradors resources for themselves. Again, I believe you are looking at the small picture, not the big one.
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Funky Monkey from NL writes: To Manny Lewis...could you explain how Newfoundland and Labrador are better off today then we were before Williams was elected in 2003? Make a list of the things he has done to make the province better.
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NL_Expatriate from BC writes: Where is the equality among provinces?
Where is the vision for the majority of the members in confederation? Versus what we have now which is a vision for the majority of the population to gain power whether you be in power or opposition.
NL - the highest public debt load in Canada - those greedy devils on the east coast (sarcasm).
NL - the highest unemployment in Canada - those greedy devils on the east coast (sarcasm).
NL - the worst provincial infrastructure in the country - those greedy devils on the east coast (sarcasm).
NL - newly signed Hebron deal alone will add approximately $8 billion to the coffers of the rest of Canada - those greedy devils on the east coast (sarcasm).
NL - billions more flowing to the coffers of the federal government from off-shore development - those greedy devils on the east coast (sarcasm).
NS - Harper strikes a backroom deal with NS so that only NL is affected by this most recent unilateral change to the Atlantic Accord - those unprincipled idiots (no sarcasm here).
The new version of the NEP, created and imposed by a leader from Alberta. How ironic is that?
EQUALITY OR EXIT!
It's called tragedy of the commons at the hands of our Tyranny of the majority political system!
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Bones from NL writes: Funky: I'll take a little stab at it. The teacher's pension liability issue was addressed, the Cameron Inquiry was called, schools are being built/renovated, Andy Wells is gone, NL started wallowing in a surplus, the cows came home, the constituency allowance scandal broke, AB was not permitted to walk away with NL resources, Lower Churchill is actually being talked about realistically, Paul McCartney got divorced and all that is just off the top of my head.
Let me ask you a question...How much of this stuff do you honestly think Williams is solely responsible for? By the same token, there is much here that would yet to be accomplished or would never be addressed under our previous leaders. Show me someone better for NL right now...Feet firmly planted, standing our ground, and it's about time!
So what about Harper's unadulterated spending of another 3 billion and having conditions in place to facilitate another spending scandal?
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Manny Lewis from ON writes: I never said NL was better off than before. I said you have the best leader to get NL out of this have-not status where you are constantly looking to Ottawa for help. Believe me, they are not helping your situation. However with a leader who will stand and fight and not continue to give away your resources, you have some chance. Didn't Williams get a better deal on off-shore oil? Did he not get a better agreement with Vale Inco just recently. The mistakes of 50 years cannot be fixed quickly, it will take time. NL needs control or at least partial control of their fish stocks. The feds need to do something tangible, like working with Quebec to get a better deal on hydro. Do you not realize how much wealth those resources could generate for NL if properly utilized?
Sure Williams has made mistakes. Who doesn't? This partisan bickering will not help at all. I grew up with this partisan BS. I don't believe it anymore. Today I look at who can do the best job for the people as a whole, and that is who I vote for. Have a good evening all.
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warp15 from NL writes: Cheers to Manny Lewis, very good thought, NL has a very limited time period to exchange non-renewable resources to renewable resources. If the Federal government does not let us, we will be a have-not province forever. Our current premier is trying to implement this changeover, without playing the foolish political games. Labrador should primarily benefit from its natural resources and then the island. We should stand together to get the most from our oil reserves while we can.
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True Newfoundlander from St. John's writes: It is amazing reading all these posts and seeing how all of the provinces are so against NL. The only reason NL is a part of Canada is because of their resources, do you really think in 1949 we would have been asked to join Canada if we didnt have something they wanted?
As for Alberta, most of the the dirty work in Alberta is done by Newfoundlanders, why? because we are hard working people who expect to work hard for what we get. If it was not for the Newfoundlanders in Alberta, where would you be...imagine you would have to do the dirty work yourself. Wouldnt that be a site to see.
As for Ontario, this province speaks for it self. They have gotten rich of NL resources, and once Danny fought to have some of it back, they become a HAVE NOT province...hehehe
What comes around goes around my friends, doesnt matter who is in government.
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